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Tony
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 Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:45 pm Post subject: Frying Pan tower currents |
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Does anyone know if there is a way to predict the currents down around the tower? I am getting tired of making the run down there just to fight very strong surface currents.  |
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kid4rock
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If you get that figured out let me know. Dove in that area yesterday, almost no current. Time before that current was ripping.
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This is just a thought but the currents may follow the moon phases. The full and new moon cause the higher tides and the faster currents. A half-moon may cause a lighter current due to lower tidal ranges. Yesterday was a half-moon and kid4rock saw no current. I've seen similar patterns over the years but I'm sure it is not that cut and dry. It's just the beginning of a theory.....
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kid4rock
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| flounderer wrote: | This is just a thought but the currents may follow the moon phases. The full and new moon cause the higher tides and the faster currents. A half-moon may cause a lighter current due to lower tidal ranges. Yesterday was a half-moon and kid4rock saw no current. I've seen similar patterns over the years but I'm sure it is not that cut and dry. It's just the beginning of a theory.....
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Good theory, I'll keep an eye on that in the future.
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bjj
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| The currents at the tower are tide driven, called rotary currents and the direction depends on the tide phase, there is a table for it online Im sure just havent searched for it. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:18 am Post subject: |
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I have never seen one that predicts anything around these shoals. If you can find one let me know.
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bjj
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Capt_Dave wrote: | I have never seen one that predicts anything around these shoals. If you can find one let me know.
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I could be totally wrong in the fact that they are predictable in any way, just assumed they had to have some sort of pattern and someone far smarter than me had figured it out. |
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seasea
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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Yall figure that out, save me some gas money!!!
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kid4rock
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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An alternative is not to fight the current, but go with it. There's lots of good bottom in that area, probably the only place off NC I have seen that is suitable for drift diving. We did some of that the time before. If you hit it lucky and get a good drift you may hit several good ledges. I'd way rather do that than drop down and hang on for dear life, or go that far and not dive at all.
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NurseShark
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| Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Maybe we can all start posting how the currents and directions were and get some type of idea based on day and time of the dive information. With all the divers on here we could probably get the data quickly.
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kid4rock
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That is a great idea, I'll start doing that. I go out of Southport and expect most of my diving will be within 8 miles of the tower, more often closer than that.
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lyndonc
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One other factor affecting the current around the tower is proximity to gulf stream currents. If you have an eddy spin inshore, the current is going to be much worse than if you're only dealing with tidal currents. If you use an sst chart, it's easy to track where the stream currents start.
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Bilzo
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| do the gulf stream currents affect the seafloor or are they just surface currents? (in<100' of water..that is...I'm pretty sure they don't affect the bottom too much when you get out in the deep area, but nobody's diving that) |
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kid4rock
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Went out of Southport today, hit some bottom structure south of the tower, 82 feet. Just a bit of current on top, none on the bottom. Things have improved after that big swell, we had 40-50 feet of visibility on the bottom. Warm water, no thermocline at all.
Oh, and it was lake Atlantic out there.
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FPT_Richard
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Interesting topic.
How about we see about getting a device to measure and report the current direction when the tower gets back online next year? It could be mounted under the tower in the center so as to not impact anything below but could be any distance between the ocean surface and the bottom. It seems like that would be a valuable bit of data for the diving community.
Divers, how deep would you want it?
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kid4rock
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| ChartGEEK wrote: | Interesting topic.
How about we see about getting a device to measure and report the current direction when the tower gets back online next year? It could be mounted under the tower in the center so as to not impact anything below but could be any distance between the ocean surface and the bottom. It seems like that would be a valuable bit of data for the diving community.
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Now THAT would be cool! Nirvana would be having something that measures current at the surface and a second one that measures current maybe ten feet across the bottom. Fishermen might like having that too.
FPT is a phenomenal dive area. Every spot we hit yesterday was within sight of the tower, depths of 82 feet to 130. Hope your plans ultimately include something for divers.
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Capt_Dave
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Richard,
1 Meter and 5 meter I think is what they usually do.
Dave
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Tony
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| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:45 am Post subject: Back to the tower on Saturday |
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After a very poor viz Friday (31 miles straight out) we headed back down to the tower on Saturday. It was a charter and I was setting the hook. I couldn't make it to the anchor line without the capt putting a line up to the anchor. Luckily it was better on the bottom and had about 40 foot of viz. Had three passangers with doubles and one in a drysuit (?????). None of them could make it to the anchor. After convincing the guy in the drysuit to dive in his shorts (80 degrees), and tying the tag line down at 50 feet they made it down. We had a longer than usual surface interval (1:30) as a large waterspout threatend to come our way. When everything passed the current had dropped signifigantly and no one had any problems on the second dive. I found 29 teeth with about half of them good quality. The passengers came up with 25 and some nice whalebones. Ride home was sloppy. Bottom line; I think it will be very difficult to predict the current changes since they happen so fast. We just need to be real careful when diving down here. 80 degrees on the bottom! Got to love it!  |
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FPT_Richard
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| Capt_Dave wrote: | Richard,
1 Meter and 5 meter I think is what they usually do.
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Will do. Probably will come up with some ideas and share them here first to make sure they make sense to the divers. Maybe I'll get on a dive trip myself sometime. Might be a good idea to learn!
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kid4rock
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| ChartGEEK wrote: | | Capt_Dave wrote: | Richard,
1 Meter and 5 meter I think is what they usually do.
Dave |
Will do. Probably will come up with some ideas and share them here first to make sure they make sense to the divers. Maybe I'll get on a dive trip myself sometime. Might be a good idea to learn!
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